{"id":485,"date":"2023-12-13T18:23:26","date_gmt":"2023-12-14T01:23:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/?p=485"},"modified":"2023-12-13T18:41:14","modified_gmt":"2023-12-14T01:41:14","slug":"rothbard-1-fuzzy-language-0","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/?p=485","title":{"rendered":"Rothbard: 1, Fuzzy Language: 0"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/4\/48\/Rothbard_%2770s.jpg\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:320px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Ludwig von Mises Institute, CC BY 3.0 <a href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/3.0\">https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/3.0<\/a>, via Wikimedia Commons<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"\">I&#8217;ve just started reading <a href=\"https:\/\/a.co\/d\/fDTx0b0\">Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s <em>The Righteous Mind<\/em><\/a> and I found a lovely example of how fuzzy language obscures what the state is and how it differs from &#8220;society.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Quoting page 14 of my copy (hardcover, Pantheon, first edition):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">&#8220;&#8230;all societies must resolve a small set of questions about how to order society, the most important being how to balance the needs of individuals and groups. There seem to be just two primary ways of answering this question. Most societies have chosen the <em>sociocentric<\/em> answer, placing the needs of groups and institutions first, and subordinating the needs of individuals. In contrast, the <em>individualistic<\/em> answer places individuals at the center and makes society a servant of the individual.&#8221; [italics in original]<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">This kind of fuzzy language to whitewash the difference between voluntary trade and force <em>infuriates<\/em> me to no end.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Unless there is some group of people who exhibit real telepathy and hive-mind, the entity &#8220;society&#8221; <em>has no independent existence except for individuals.<\/em> This &#8220;We are the government, the government is us!&#8221; nonsense is <a href=\"https:\/\/odysee.com\/@MarginalNonHermit:3\/the-government-is-not-us:3\">something I ranted about earlier<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">This whole absurd perspective is something <a href=\"https:\/\/mises.org\/library\/man-economy-and-state-power-and-market\/html\/p\/943\">Rothbard broke down brilliantly<\/a> with a perspective from game theory: either the exchanges are voluntary, and the participants believe they <em>gain<\/em> from them, or there is some threat of violence, either explicit or understood, and one or more parties believe they <em>lose<\/em> from the exchanges forbidden or made mandatory by the state.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">In the first case, we <em>know<\/em> that overall utility is increased. All parties leave the negotiation table as winners.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">In the second, we <em>know<\/em> that the threat of aggressive force is a factor in the parties&#8217; choices to obey. We <em>cannot<\/em> assume that the exchange(s) increase utility. In fact, we can reasonably infer that they do not for at least one party, or else the threat would not be necessary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Haidt here hides behind fuzzy language to make it sound like the dichotomy is between <em>society<\/em> and <em>individuals<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>The dichotomy is between <em>persuasion<\/em> and <em>coercion<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Insofar as Haidt uses this mistaken understanding of human interaction to make his &#8220;moral&#8221; judgments, he is likely to find himself in a muddled cluster of errors.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Fuzzy language obscures the differences between voluntary action and coercion. Failing to make the distinction, or to hide it in sweet words like &#8220;society&#8221; result in muddled philosophy and a cluster of errors around understanding right and wrong.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":487,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,82,4],"tags":[179,86,175,19,176,72,178,177],"class_list":["post-485","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-essay","category-philosophy","category-political","tag-coercion","tag-freedom","tag-jonathan-haidt","tag-liberty","tag-murray-rothbard","tag-politics","tag-society","tag-the-righteous-mind"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/marginalnonhermit.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/Rothbard_70s.jpg?fit=445%2C576&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/485","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=485"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/485\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":488,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/485\/revisions\/488"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/487"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=485"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=485"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marginalnonhermit.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=485"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}